Talk:Head of state
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[edit]I took the liberty of adding some additional absolute monarchies. Saudi Arabia actually isn't the only absolute monarchy. Something this doesn't mention, the head of state in the UAE is actually a head of a royal family and has absolute monarchy within his given state. Faith15 13:38, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- HEY! WHO TOOK MY EDITS DOWN?! Faith15 15:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
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Typo
[edit]There is a small typo in the first reference: Foakes, pp. 110–11 "[The head of state] being an embodiment of the State itself or representatitve of its international persona." It says representatitve instead of representative. Please correct it. 85.152.246.66 (talk) 15:53, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
NPOV
[edit]I find it remarkable that neither of the world's two most populous countries – respectively the world's most populous republic and world's most populous parliamentary democracy – have their heads of state included in the table. There seems to have been a deliberate decision taken to exclude non-Western countries. Currently we have six out of nine leaders shown as white European people, which is ridiculously out of step with global demographics. Asia – with 60% of the world's population – has one leader included. In addition, we have the leader of the Marshall Islands, a tiny U.S. client state with a population less than 40,000. I have attempted to rectify this but been reverted twice without explanation. GeebaKhap (talk) 14:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- India was represented until less than a month ago [1] when it was changed without discussion by User:JoshuaJ28. When I tried to revert it back I was reverted and slap with edit warring notices with the blatant lie that this was the long term version. GeebaKhap (talk) 14:10, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'd strongly support the inclusion of the Indian president. Removing them and reverting without explanation or discussion is completely unacceptable behaviour. The original claim that India should be removed as it is an "electoral autocracy" is ridiculous and meritless. India held an election earlier this year in which the incumbent government took a significant hit and lost 60 seats in parliament while the opposition gained nearly 150. India is also a major source of readers for the English Wikipedia. I'd suggest removing either the president of the Marshall Islands due to size and significance or the president of Greece as Europe is already represented with France and the UK (plus the leaders of Brazil, Mexico and the US being of European descent) AusLondonder (talk) 14:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Definition of Electoral autocracy:
In these regimes, regular elections are held, but they are accused of failing to reach democratic standards of freedom and fairness
. Elections also happen in Russia, which is electoral autocracy like India.[1] JoshuaJ28 (talk) 01:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Definition of Electoral autocracy:
- I'd strongly support the inclusion of the Indian president. Removing them and reverting without explanation or discussion is completely unacceptable behaviour. The original claim that India should be removed as it is an "electoral autocracy" is ridiculous and meritless. India held an election earlier this year in which the incumbent government took a significant hit and lost 60 seats in parliament while the opposition gained nearly 150. India is also a major source of readers for the English Wikipedia. I'd suggest removing either the president of the Marshall Islands due to size and significance or the president of Greece as Europe is already represented with France and the UK (plus the leaders of Brazil, Mexico and the US being of European descent) AusLondonder (talk) 14:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
References
This is why I was opposed to adding the image table to this page. I knew sooner or later, editors would start complaining about the content. GoodDay (talk) 16:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
@GeebaKhap:, @AusLondonder:. @GoodDay: To avoid edit war over adding images of personal favourites, 3 points and 2 criteria have to be considered:
Points:
1) GDP (in top 3, continent wise)
2) HDI (above 0.700)
3) Democracy index (classified as "electoral/liberal democracy") (or) Freedom in the World (classified as "free", used only if Democracy index data not available for the specific country)
Criteria:
1) Atleast an image should represent every single continent (except Antarctica)
2) Atleast 3/9 images should represent women, according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red
All these points have to be satisfied in order to be included in the infobox. It should not be based on population (as more than 3 Asian countries and autocratic leaders will be overrepresented in this case).
| Country | GDP | HDI | Democracy |
|---|---|---|---|
| China | 1st (Asia) | HDI 0.788 | closed autocracy |
| India | 3rd (Asia) | HDI 0.644 | electoral autocracy |
| USA | 1st (North America) | HDI 0.927 | liberal democracy |
| Indonesia | 5th (Asia) | HDI 0.713 | electoral democracy |
| Pakistan | 19th (Asia) | HDI 0.540 | electoral autocracy |
| Nigeria | 4th (Africa) | HDI 0.548 | electoral autocracy |
| Brazil | 1st (South America) | HDI 0.760 | electoral democracy |
| Bangladesh | 15th (Asia) | HDI 0.670 | electoral autocracy |
| Russia | 5th (Europe) | HDI 0.821 | electoral autocracy |
| United Kingdom | 2nd (Europe) | HDI 0.940 | liberal democracy |
| Japan | 2nd (Asia) | HDI 0.920 | liberal democracy |
| France | 3rd (Europe) | HDI 0.910 | liberal democracy |
| Mexico | 1st (North America) | HDI 0.781 | electoral democracy |
| South Africa | 1st (Africa) | HDI 0.717 | electoral democracy |
| Greece | 22nd (Europe) | HDI 0.893 | electoral democracy |
| Marshall Islands | 11th (Oceania) | HDI 0.731 | 93/100 in Fredom Index |
GDP can be ignored only if it affects criteria1 and criteria2. But HDI should be medium (ranked below 160) and democracy point is must.
Greece and Marshall Islands were added (under criteria2). Although democracy index not available for Marshall Islands, it's rated "free" (93/100) in the Freedom index, according to 2024 report[1]. India also comes under criteria2, but does not satisfy the democracy point[2].
The current infobox representation is Africa 1 - Asia 1 - Europe 3 - North America 2 - Oceania 1 - South America 1, with 3 women leaders. The maximum limit for each continent have to be 3. JoshuaJ28 (talk) 01:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- The most internationally known are the US President & British monarch. They thus should be included. GoodDay (talk) 01:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. JoshuaJ28 (talk) 01:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
References
- No one suggested removing the US president or British monarch, so that's a strawman. AusLondonder (talk) 05:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Also, sorry but can you tell me where there was agreement reached on the "criteria" you have identified? The Bloomberg citation you have provided is an opinion piece. AusLondonder (talk) 05:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- No there was no agreement reached yet. But the criteria was made to ensure NPOV and fair representation. It covers all aspects as of now. India being "electoral autocracy" should not be added until they improve in democracy rank. JoshuaJ28 (talk) 06:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)